Plans for Detroit Idle Org – May 2015

Plans for the Detroit Ideal Org were presented to a skeptical historic district commission:

from curbed.com

SCIENTOLOGY SIGNAGE

Confirmed: Flashy Scientology Center Planned Downtown

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It’s true: The Church of Scientology is working to transform the Standard Savings Building—a neoclassical nugget overlooking Hart Plaza—into the organization’s first location in downtown Detroit.
At Wednesday’s Historic District Commission (HDC) hearing, a representative from Gensler Architects (they handle Scientology remods nationwide, apparently) revealed grand plans to rehab the vacant building, which—from the outside, at least—represents more of a Scientology-themed bedazzling.

The proposed changes:
1. Swap the rooftop Raymond James sign/stock ticker for a giant SCIENTOLOGY sign
2. Install a vertical SCIENTOLOGY sign above the exterior clock
3. Slap a large, vertical cross above the front door
4. Stack a bunch HVAC equipment on the roof
5. Roof deck! And a railing, of course
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The commission was not happy with the plan for several reasons, mostly rooftop stuff. Between the signage, the tall stack of air conditioners roof deck railing, the design could end up looking (at least from some angels) like an ugly new haircut. For a limestone building sculpted by Detroit’s Corrado Parducci in 1930, that’s not gonna fly. The plan was tabled until a meeting later this month. Interior plans were also mentioned, including the restoration of floors 1 & 2 to their original appearance. That included restoring a “grand staircase” and a long-lost mezzanine.
· Is the Church of Scientology Moving to Downtown Detroit? [Curbed]

Is the Church of Scientology Moving to Downtown Detroit?

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Back in 2007, the Church of Scientology paid $3.5M for a nice piece of downtown real estate: the Standard Savings building at 1 Griswold, built in . Plans to see it renovated into some sort of metro Detroit Scientology headquarters have been floating around ever since, but the building has remained vacant.
That may soon change. Tonight’s Historic District Commission agenda includes a proposal to rehab and “add rooftop structures” to 1 Griswold. Unless the Church of Scientology recently sold the place (which there’s no record of), this could be the real deal. At the very least, Detroit remains on the organization’s “Upcoming Churches” list.
· The Church of Scientology Owns Building Near Hart Plaza [Curbed]

Pittsburgh, Pennsylvanie

We got this link from Jeff Yates’s excellent article “The ghost building stock of Scientology” published 7 May 2015

“1906 E Carson St, Pittsburgh, PA 15203, USA One of eviction note was sent to the Church in 2012.”

View Full Version : Eviction notice for Pittsburgh Org (City Office for Cincinatti Org), 11 October 2012

Takin Time
25th October 2012, 03:38 AM
Attached is a photograph of a recent eviction notice for Pittsburgh Org (City Office for Cincinatti Org).

Premises: 1906 E Carson St, Pittsburgh PA 15203

Pittsburgh is (or was) a City Office for the Cincinnati Org. Cincinnati Ohio is 289 miles from Pittsburgh. Philadelphia is 304 miles from Pittsburgh. The Cincinnati Org recently opened their “Ideal Org” not in Cincinnati, but across the river in Florence, Kentucky. The Org was run by Jeanne Franks Bogvad Sonenfeld and David Sonenfeld. David has been missing for a couple of years.

Sock Puppy
25th October 2012, 03:55 AM
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HelluvaHoax!
25th October 2012, 04:02 AM
Attached is a photograph of a recent eviction notice for Pittsburgh Org (City Office for Cincinatti Org).

Premises: 1906 E Carson St, Pittsburgh PA 15203

Pittsburgh is (or was) a City Office for the Cincinnati Org. Cincinnati Ohio is 289 miles from Pittsburgh. Philadelphia is 304 miles from Pittsburgh. The Cincinnati Org recently opened their “Ideal Org” not in Cincinnati, but across the river in Florence, Kentucky. The Org was run by Jeanne Franks Bogvad Sonenfeld and David Sonenfeld. David has been missing for a couple of years.

They were not evicted.

They shed their lease encumbrance on their own determinism in order to do advanced research.

AnonyMary
25th October 2012, 04:51 AM
Attached is a photograph of a recent eviction notice for Pittsburgh Org (City Office for Cincinatti Org).

Premises: 1906 E Carson St, Pittsburgh PA 15203

Pittsburgh is (or was) a City Office for the Cincinnati Org. Cincinnati Ohio is 289 miles from Pittsburgh. Philadelphia is 304 miles from Pittsburgh. The Cincinnati Org recently opened their “Ideal Org” not in Cincinnati, but across the river in Florence, Kentucky. The Org was run by Jeanne Franks Bogvad Sonenfeld and David Sonenfeld. David has been missing for a couple of years.

Thanks for posting this! I didn’t know there were 2 orgs in PA, one being a ‘city office’ for Cinncy Org. Maybe Jeannie has finally abandoned ship? She’s sure been through the ringer with the cult.
http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2010/01/23/the-church-of-disaster-capitalism/#comment-9495

This eviction notice reminds me of other places they are in legal trouble with, for not paying rents or taxes or contractors. CT, San Diego are two examples of ongoing cases. in Ga they just settled a case. We know how they pay their bills, so it’s no wonder.

NoName
25th October 2012, 05:56 AM
This eviction notice reminds me of other places they are in legal trouble with, for not paying rents or taxes or contractors. CT, San Diego are two examples of ongoing cases. in Ga they just settled a case. We know how they pay their bills, so it’s no wonder.

See, this makes me think that the cult is in trouble because conduct like this makes no sense whatsoever.

Yes, I know all about the HCOPL of 28 January 1965, that (sort of) says don’t pay bills on time. But here’s how I see it. I get a credit card bill that is due on the first of the month. I know that they don’t penalize me with late fees until the tenth of the month, so I pay it at 4:59pm on the ninth of the month. Because if I have a ton of money in the bank, those extra nine days give me more interest.

Of course, if I get a huge late fee on day ten that wipes the interest I earn, this dateline paying thing is a financial loss, not a way to earn extra interest like Ella Rich said it would be.

Why the FUCK would you get a tax lien assessed, property foreclosed and auctioned off, blight citations, etc., if you were operating off of the instructions in this HCOPL?

So really, I think something more than garden variety incompetence or blind adherence to the “tech” is causing all this. But that’s just me. It simply defies any other explanation.

Stat
25th October 2012, 06:59 AM
I was in that “City Office” a few times when I was in.
Rarely I observed public there. The main focus was book sales
and finding public for Cincinnati Org.

I am not very surprised about that eviction note, since some major Pittsburgh feeders
who helped to establish the place a few years ago are now declared SPs and either Indies or off the radar all together.

Cincinnati/Florence Org is not doing that hot either.
Although, may be they already paid the bill, for PR reasons.
Or decided to close it down. Time will tell.

Jeanie Sonenfild is reportedly at Flag right now.

Thank you, Takin’ Time.

Stat
25th October 2012, 07:44 AM
Thanks for posting this! I didn’t know there were 2 orgs in PA, one being a ‘city office’ for Cinncy Org. Maybe Jeannie has finally abandoned ship? She’s sure been through the ringer with the cult.
http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2010/01/23/the-church-of-disaster-capitalism/#comment-9495

This eviction notice reminds me of other places they are in legal trouble with, for not paying rents or taxes or contractors. CT, San Diego are two examples of ongoing cases. in Ga they just settled a case. We know how they pay their bills, so it’s no wonder.

AnonyMary, thank you for the link on Jeanie. It’s a good one.

As far as Pittsburgh, I am pretty sure there were never 2 Orgs in PA.
Or any Org. The “City Office” on South Side is all I’m aware of.

http://i48.tinypic.com/sgmp3b.png

Cincinnati Org “opened” Pittsburgh. And failed it, looks like.
Correct me, if I’m wrong.

Helena Handbasket
25th October 2012, 09:32 AM
They were not evicted.

They shed their lease encumbrance on their own determinism in order to do advanced research.
:hysterical:

Helena (Thanks from one HH to another!)

Helena Handbasket
25th October 2012, 09:36 AM
the HCOPL of 28 January 1965, that (sort of) says don’t pay bills on time … if I get a huge late fee … that wipes the interest I earn, this dateline paying thing is a financial loss … blind adherence to the “tech” is causing all this.
The tech never intended that an org just keeps falling farther and farther behind, although this is what’s happening in many cases; particularly as revenues fall ever lower.

Per the Affluence Formula: Economise, pay every bill, and invest the remainder in service facsimilies. :biggrin:

Helena

Infinite
25th October 2012, 02:16 PM
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♫ ♪. . . DOX, DOX, glorious DOX
Nothing quite like ’em for proving the bollocks . . . ♪ ♫

Yummy, thank you. Hope you don’t mind if I put ’em up large.

http://www.forum.exscn.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=5248&d=1351132454

http://www.forum.exscn.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=5249&d=1351132495

Moosejewels
25th October 2012, 04:44 PM
They were not evicted.

They shed their lease encumbrance on their own determinism in order to do advanced research.

Double :hysterical:

Smilla
25th October 2012, 05:23 PM
Seems Ideal.
change
26th October 2012, 09:42 PM
I was in that “City Office” a few times when I was in.
Rarely I observed public there. The main focus was book sales
and finding public for Cincinnati Org.

I am not very surprised about that eviction note, since some major Pittsburgh feeders
who helped to establish the place a few years ago are now declared SPs and either Indies or off the radar all together.

Cincinnati/Florence Org is not doing that hot either.
Although, may be they already paid the bill, for PR reasons.
Or decided to close it down. Time will tell.

Jeanie Sonenfild is reportedly at Flag right now.

Thank you, Takin’ Time.

Flag will get a copy of this photo. It might help on Jeannie’s sec check

Idle Morgue
27th October 2012, 12:56 AM
Helena Handbasket posted:
Per the Affluence Formula: Economise, pay every bill, and invest the remainder in service facsimilies. :biggrin::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hyst erical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hyster ical:

This is funny! The Morgues are crumbling financially! No new public – staff and few public left are leaving in droves. :happydance::happydance::happydance::happydance::h appydance::happydance::happydance::happydance::hap pydance::happydance::happydance::happydance::happy dance::happydance::happydance::happydance::happyda nce::happydance::happydance::happydance::happydanc e:

Where is Jeannie S. and her side kick David? What is she doing at Fraud Scam Base? Is David S. sick or has he blown? Who is running the sin-sin Morgue? Not that there is anything to run?

Just more regging for $$$$$$$ :whistling:

AnonyMary
27th October 2012, 03:00 AM
AnonyMary, thank you for the link on Jeanie. It’s a good one.

As far as Pittsburgh, I am pretty sure there were never 2 Orgs in PA.
Or any Org. The “City Office” on South Side is all I’m aware of.

http://i48.tinypic.com/sgmp3b.png

Cincinnati Org “opened” Pittsburgh. And failed it, looks like.
Correct me, if I’m wrong.

How could we forget Phily Org? :eyeroll:

Perhaps another failure……. ( I reposted to a Phily thread )

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?22316-philadelphia-email-leaks-thread&p=741640#post741640

oneonewasaracecar
27th October 2012, 03:54 AM
See, this makes me think that the cult is in trouble because conduct like this makes no sense whatsoever.

Yes, I know all about the HCOPL of 28 January 1965, that (sort of) says don’t pay bills on time. But here’s how I see it. I get a credit card bill that is due on the first of the month. I know that they don’t penalize me with late fees until the tenth of the month, so I pay it at 4:59pm on the ninth of the month. Because if I have a ton of money in the bank, those extra nine days give me more interest.

Of course, if I get a huge late fee on day ten that wipes the interest I earn, this dateline paying thing is a financial loss, not a way to earn extra interest like Ella Rich said it would be.

Why the FUCK would you get a tax lien assessed, property foreclosed and auctioned off, blight citations, etc., if you were operating off of the instructions in this HCOPL?

So really, I think something more than garden variety incompetence or blind adherence to the “tech” is causing all this. But that’s just me. It simply defies any other explanation.
Interesting when you consider that the surveillance on Pat Broeker was cut. I always thought that Pat Broeker’s surveillance detail was a non-negotiable expense. This could end quicker than we think.

NoName
27th October 2012, 04:18 AM
Interesting when you consider that the surveillance on Pat Broeker was cut. I always thought that Pat Broeker’s surveillance detail was a non-negotiable expense. This could end quicker than we think.

Yup…..

NoName
27th October 2012, 04:26 AM
The tech never intended that an org just keeps falling farther and farther behind, although this is what’s happening in many cases; particularly as revenues fall ever lower.

Per the Affluence Formula: Economise, pay every bill, and invest the remainder in service facsimilies. :biggrin:

Helena

The idea of squeezing every penny of interest out of your own money before paying a bill is actually pretty decent financial advice. I’ve just seen people on this board talk about LRH saying not to pay bills, and that’s just plain inaccurate.

Stat
24th December 2012, 06:34 AM
Any updates on this? Chuck Beatty or anyone from the area?

Part of the reason the office might be gone or re-assigned to another closer
org is the Ideal Org strategy, where each org has it’s own region and not to interfere
with another orgs.

Gus
18th February 2013, 12:21 AM
…As far as Pittsburgh, I am pretty sure there were never 2 Orgs in PA.
Or any Org. The “City Office” on South Side is all I’m aware of…

A loooong time ago, there was also an org in Ardmore, PA. At least I’m pretty sure it was an Org. Philly also existed at that time, so there would have been 2 orgs in PA – at least in the early ’70s. AFAIK, Philly Org plods on, but Ardmore is long gone.

-Gus

Kansas City, Missouri

We got this link from Jeff Yates’s excellent article “The ghost building stock of Scientology” published 7 May 2015

“298 E 18th St, Kansas City, MO 64108, USA Building bought for $ 5 million in 2007. Controversy emerged when the Kansas City Pitch local newspaper discovered that the building was exempt from property taxes, despite the fact that If blank.”

 

Why isn’t the Church of Scientology paying its downtown tax bill?

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Back in 2007, the Church of Scientology bought a historic building across the street from the Kansas City Star‘s headquarters.

The Star, which at the time leased space in the City National Bank Building, at 1801 Grand, for its advertising functions, covered the transaction on the front page of the March 17, 2007, business section. According to that story, Kansas City’s branch of Scientology planned to move its operations from 39th Street and Main to its newest property later that year.

The moving vans never made it downtown.

It’s often said the Church of Scientology is the least reliable source of information about itself. The source quoted in that Star story suggests that there’s good reason to accept the received wisdom about the controversial religion.

Scientology’s local executive director, Maggie Kittinger, told the newspaper that the church had bought the building from erstwhile owner Grand Investment International for less than the $5.25 million asking price. That part is true: Jackson County real-estate records show that the actual sale price of the property was $5,076,092.

Acquisition and renovation, according to the story, would total $4 million. It’s hard to gauge the accuracy of that estimate, though, because the church, eight years after the deal, little progress is apparent at the property.

Paint is chipping on the exterior of the building, which is listed on the National Register of Historic Places. A gaping hole in a broken window on the east-facing side of the building attests to neglect. The only sign of life visible through the structure’s windows is a box of Velveeta cheese on the floor of a ground-level room.

The building is situated squarely within a prime-realty zip code, in the midst of downtown Kansas City’s comeback. Demand for its use is, in theory, high. Jackson County real-estate records show that the building has held a steady market value of $3.5 million since 2010. Properly developed, this parcel would yield valuable tax revenue to the county.

But the county’s records also show that, from 2010 to 2012, Scientology paid only $84 a year to cover its share of an assessment levied against all property that sits along a boulevard in Kansas City. (It paid $4,042 per year in 2013 and 2014 to cover the transportation-development-district assessment that is funding the under-construction downtown streetcar line.) The Star‘s headquarters, at 1729 Grand, valued by the county at slightly less than Scientology’s building, pays roughly $98,000 a year in real-estate taxes.

Scientology is exempt from real-estate taxes because it’s considered a religion, a designation it strong-armed the Internal Revenue Service into accepting in the early 1990s. But the church may be abusing that privilege; Missouri law states that a property must be “actually and regularly used exclusively for religious worship” in order for a religious organization to retain tax-exempt status on it.

Edwin Stoll, deputy chief administrator for Jackson County, tells The Pitch that the church has provided documentation that it holds events at 1801 Grand during downtown parades and such.

“While the church has not been able to utilize the entire building due to the needed construction and repairs, it has been confirmed that there is an ongoing religious use,” Stoll writes in an e-mail.

Of course, whatever is happening there, Scientology officials won’t talk about it. The Pitch over the years has asked Scientology what it plans to do with the building at 1801 Grand but has never received a response.

Recent inquiries have also gone ignored, which may owe something to Scientology officials busying themselves with damage control over Going Clear, an HBO documentary that premiered earlier this month.Going Clear portrays Scientology, started in Wichita in 1952 by the late pulp-fiction writer L. Ron Hubbard, less like a religion and more like a moneymaking scheme for well-paid executives at the expense of its members.

Ostensibly, Scientology wants to remake the City National Bank Building into what it calls “Ideal Orgs.” The long delay in opening Kansas City’s Ideal Org is emblematic of the lack of progress with similar buildings in other cities.

Ideal Orgs are improved versions of such buildings. (The org in Kansas City remains at 39th Street and Main.)

Around 2003, Scientology started buying up historic and sometimes opulent buildings to upgrade its inventory of existing orgs. Some of those buildings — notably one in Minneapolis — have been opened up to members. Many more remain empty and awaiting renovation, like Kansas City’s. That’s in large part because local Scientologists end up having to raise the cash for renovations.

The Church of Scientology claimed in 2007 that Kansas City was home to 10,000 members, but the organization is notorious for overstating the number of its adherents. One of its former presidents once testified that the church counts as members anyone who has picked up Hubbard’s book Dianetics, Scientology’s bible.

Even the purpose of an Ideal Org isn’t altogether clear.

Hubbard in 1970 explained it this way: “It is the product of the causative actions of many. Anything which is short of an ideal org is an outpoint that can be put right. The end product is not just an ideal org, but a new civilization already on its way.”

Not in downtown Kansas City.

If just one city would grow balls and make them pay up. It would set a precedent for the rest of the Country to follow. Years of back-taxes would cripple them. Great reporting!

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The bigger question is about Jaco property taxes generally, which vary wildly from one similar structure to the next. There’s your investigation.

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Posted by Wolf on 04/22/2015 at 2:59 PM

If you look at Census data you can get an idea of religious identification and validate the idea that their membership is exaggerated.

In 2008 228 million people identified their religion nationwide. None of the religious groups I mention below are for the purpose of promoting or insulting in any way because they’re small, they’re just good examples for my point.

78,000 as Sikh. 86,000 as Independent Christian Church. 90,000 as Humanist. None are large groups in the US

Scientology wasn’t big enough to get it’s own row. That cuts off at 75,000.

So if they don’t even have 75,000 members nationwide that will identify with the group then how do they have 10,000 in Kansas City?

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Photo Update: Georgia – Atlanta Ideal Org

We got this link from Jeff Yates’s excellent article “The ghost building stock of Scientology” published 7 May 2015

5395 Roswell Rd, Atlanta, GA 30342, USA According photos taken at the scene in November 2014, the building is not renovated, and the local Church still seeking funding for the project.

Photo Update: Georgia – Atlanta Ideal Org
A friend of the forum sent some photos to me at Facebook to share here if I wanted them for the forum. He took these when he drove by the Church of Scientology of Georgia Ideal Org today. They speak for themselves!

He had posted this on Facebook:

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Given how much effort the “church” of $cientology spends hiding Travolta and Cruise’s love of men, you’d think they’d have picked someone other than GAY construction to renovate their Sandy Springs facility.

Here are rest of what he sent me. Although there is some kind of construction work going on, the place is still in terrible shape… all these years and this is all they managed to accomplish. Here are some other pics:

He said  “I hope this is the beginning of them going bankrupt.”

Me, too!

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Toronto – still dead

We got this link from Jeff Yates’s excellent article “The ghost building stock of Scientology” published 7 May 20

 696 Yonge St, Toronto, ON M4Y 2A6, Canada The building belongs to the Church of Scientology since 1979. Currently closed for renovations. When visiting a Subway photographer this week, there was “no activity at the scene.”

Toronto Scientology location boarded up as controversial organization plans renovation

The Toronto headquarters of the Church of Scientology has temporarily relocated while applying to do interior demolition work.

A woman passes grafitti directed at Scientologist Tom Cruise outside the now-boarded up Church of Scientology building at 696 Yonge St. The church has submitted an application to do major renovations.<br /><br /><br />
RENE JOHNSTON / TORONTO STAR

A woman passes graffiti directed at Scientologist Tom Cruise outside the now-boarded up Church of Scientology building at 696 Yonge St. The church has submitted an application to do major renovations.

By: Wendy Gillis Staff Reporter, Published on Fri Jan 25 2013

It’s a strange question to scrawl on boarded-up windows — “Tom Cruise where you at?” — but this isn’t your average empty building.

The Church of Scientology’s Toronto headquarters at 696 Yonge St. were shuttered last week, the windows and doors covered in plywood and its large signs covered with paper.

But there’s no need for Cruise — the church’s most prominent member — to swoop in, jump on couches and save the day just yet; the controversial church is not closing up shop.

In the works instead is a spiffy renovation for the worn eight-storey structure the church has inhabited since 1979. A city spokesperson said the organization submitted an application for interior demolition work on Jan. 15.

The inside is being completely remodelled, said Erin Banks, spokesperson for Church of Scientology International, in an email to the Star.

“We have very specific space plan requirements that we follow for all of our Churches,” including a chapel, a café and “dozens of rooms for Scientology spiritual counseling called auditing.”

A floor plan on display at the church’s temporary location at 77 Peter St. shows the second floor will have a public theatre, bookstore, and a large “testing centre.”

On the main floor, visitors will be able to walk around and watch “500 films that are available right at the touch of a button,” Banks said.

The church also plans a major exterior makeover, including a new façade with red detailing, and large crosses facing Yonge St. and St. Mary St.

According to the church’s website, the Toronto renovation is part of its “Ideal Churches of Scientology” movement, prompted by church leader David Miscavige.

Records show the building was purchased for $2 from a contractor called Plaza Investment Co. in 1979.